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The TML Talk | August 15th, 2025

Ross
Ross

Ross is a co-founder of TraderLion and Deepvue. He was mentored by William O’Neil, and co-authored The Model Book of Greatest Stock Market Winners at WON + Co.

August 16, 2025

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Trading Insights: Key Lessons from Ross & Nick

Key Takeaways from this week’s TML Talk with Ross & Nick

1. The First Pullback to the 50-Day

When a leading stock pulls back to its 50-day moving average for the first time after a major run, Ross uses an intraday entry method:

  • Switch to 3-minute charts to time the entry
  • Wait for a U-turn pattern off the 50-day
  • Use the intraday low as your stop
  • Keep stops tight to allow multiple attempts
“Would Bill O’Neill buy that first pullback in Roblox? Assuming he thinks it’s the leader that I do, he wouldn’t miss it.”

This approach is essentially “day trading your way into a position trade” — using short-term precision to establish a longer-term position.

2. Wait for the Close

One of the most impactful improvements both Nick & Ross made was learning to wait until late in the day before making sell decisions if you can:

The principle: Morning weakness often gets bought, morning strength often fades. The close tells the real story.
  • Try to avoid selling in the first hour
  • Watch if buyers step up in the final hour
  • Exception: Honor your stops if they’re hit
  • Never move original stops lower to “wait for the close”

Nick emphasized: “Any time I sell in the first hour, it’s almost always the wrong decision.”

3. Moving Average Framework

Both Nick & Ross use a two-tier moving average system, though the specific averages differ:

Shorter-term MA (10-week/21-day)

  • Indicates momentum when price rides above it
  • Break below signals momentum loss
  • Use for managing newer positions

Longer-term MA (30-week/50-day)

  • Major support level
  • Break below means position is broken
  • Give big winners room to pull back to this level
Context matters: If you’re up 200% and price pulls back from the 10-week to the 30-week, that’s acceptable. If you just bought and it breaks the 10-week, that’s different.

4. Focus on Leaders, Not Laggards

A critical mistake traders make is avoiding leaders because they “look extended” while focusing on laggards with “more upside potential.”

The numbers tell the story: Over 10 years, NVIDIA is up 45,000% while “catch-up candidate” MU up only 300%.

  • Leaders trade smoother with less volatility
  • Institutions prefer liquid leaders
  • Leaders surprise to the upside
  • Better to “cheat into a leader than get perfect entry in a laggard”

5. Using Weekly Lows

Nick’s approach for sneaking into positions uses weekly lows as pivot points:

  • Buy when price bounces off the weekly low
  • Use that weekly low as your stop
  • If next week doesn’t undercut it, you have confirmation
  • Works best when aligned with key moving averages

The key insight: Once a stock starts trending, it rarely undercuts the prior week’s low. This provides a way to keep risk tight.

6. Price Tightness + Low Volume

When price gets tight and volume dries up, it indicates supply has been absorbed. The next move is often explosive.

Ross uses RMV (Relative Measured Volatility) to identify these setups, marking charts with X’s when volatility contracts into the 0-5 range.

7. Stop Management Rules

  • Never move original stops lower
  • Better to get stopped 2-3 times and re-enter
  • Use the two-close rule for moving averages
  • Exception: Dramatic breaks require immediate action
“If you start getting in the habit of moving stops lower, that’s a dangerous game where you’re just exposing yourself to more risk than planned.”

Key Takeaways

  • Wait for the close before selling (except at original stops)
  • Focus on leaders even if extended
  • Use weekly/daily lows with MAs for entries
  • Watch for price tightening + low volume
  • Never move original stops lower
  • Keep focus list to 5-7 names maximum

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